Comments on: Antinomian? http://www.chewymom.com/antinomian/ Just another WordPress weblog Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:28:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: mtash http://www.chewymom.com/antinomian/#comment-86833 mtash Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:45:08 +0000 http://www.chewymom.com/?p=1118#comment-86833 "To promise a man the certainty of his destiny may seem, on the human level, like playing with fire: but this leaves God out of the picture. Those who have the deepest appreciation of grace do not continue in sin. Moreover, fear produces the obedience of slaves; love engenders the obedience of sons." J. W. Sanderson Jr. "Often, after a while, fear produces only numbness, but love thrives on love." Miles Stanford “To promise a man the certainty of his destiny may seem, on the human level, like playing with fire: but this leaves God out of the picture. Those who have the deepest appreciation of grace do not continue in sin. Moreover, fear produces the obedience of slaves; love engenders the obedience of sons.” J. W. Sanderson Jr.

“Often, after a while, fear produces only numbness, but love thrives on love.” Miles Stanford

]]> By: reneegrace http://www.chewymom.com/antinomian/#comment-86282 reneegrace Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:03:10 +0000 http://www.chewymom.com/?p=1118#comment-86282 How did I manage to miss out going to MOST of this kind of thing? :) oh wait.. I actually did at the mission I grew up in... Great post. Great thoughts. Right on. God Bless as you journey on. well, gee, off course He will! Renee How did I manage to miss out going to MOST of this kind of thing? :) oh wait.. I actually did at the mission I grew up in…

Great post. Great thoughts. Right on. God Bless as you journey on. well, gee, off course He will!

Renee

]]> By: Strolling ‘Round My Cyberhood « adventures in mercy http://www.chewymom.com/antinomian/#comment-86213 Strolling ‘Round My Cyberhood « adventures in mercy Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:13:28 +0000 http://www.chewymom.com/?p=1118#comment-86213 [...] Speaking of chewymom, I really enjoyed her post last weekabout things experienced by herself and her husband (whose blog, The Tumbler, is a great read, btw) as they’ve been walking out of legalistic Christianity. A teaser: Over the course of our Christian, married life (which encompasses almost 20 years, five cities, and seven churches), we’ve grown tired of being told how to uphold the Sabbath–Don’t drive through KFC! Don’t mow the grass! Be sure you attend Sunday School, morning worship, and evening worship, all three! [...] [...] Speaking of chewymom, I really enjoyed her post last weekabout things experienced by herself and her husband (whose blog, The Tumbler, is a great read, btw) as they’ve been walking out of legalistic Christianity. A teaser: Over the course of our Christian, married life (which encompasses almost 20 years, five cities, and seven churches), we’ve grown tired of being told how to uphold the Sabbath–Don’t drive through KFC! Don’t mow the grass! Be sure you attend Sunday School, morning worship, and evening worship, all three! [...]

]]> By: Barb http://www.chewymom.com/antinomian/#comment-85384 Barb Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:18:17 +0000 http://www.chewymom.com/?p=1118#comment-85384 One of my favorite U2 songs. Have you read What's So Amazing About Grace by Philip Yancy. It changed my life. I wouldn't put all the church under this description. I have met individuals within churches that have been pretty legalistic but it doesn't come from the pulpit or the head office. Some of it, what I've noticed is that it's a generational issue. Most of the folks at our church eat out after church! But honestly, part of me feels a tad guilty because it is a day of rest and by our patronage we are making someone work for us. But as Jesus said, we are not made for the Sabbath, it's the other way around. One of my favorite U2 songs. Have you read What’s So Amazing About Grace by Philip Yancy. It changed my life. I wouldn’t put all the church under this description. I have met individuals within churches that have been pretty legalistic but it doesn’t come from the pulpit or the head office. Some of it, what I’ve noticed is that it’s a generational issue.

Most of the folks at our church eat out after church! But honestly, part of me feels a tad guilty because it is a day of rest and by our patronage we are making someone work for us. But as Jesus said, we are not made for the Sabbath, it’s the other way around.

]]> By: kristen http://www.chewymom.com/antinomian/#comment-84903 kristen Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:35:43 +0000 http://www.chewymom.com/?p=1118#comment-84903 (((hugs))) You all know the Derek Webb song "A New Law" right? If you don't, you should (((hugs)))

You all know the Derek Webb song “A New Law” right? If you don’t, you should

]]> By: Kathy http://www.chewymom.com/antinomian/#comment-84712 Kathy Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:47:34 +0000 http://www.chewymom.com/?p=1118#comment-84712 (((((((hug))))))) Thumbs up! (((((((hug)))))))

Thumbs up!

]]> By: chewymom http://www.chewymom.com/antinomian/#comment-84261 chewymom Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:13:11 +0000 http://www.chewymom.com/?p=1118#comment-84261 Banner Kidd...Huh?? Banner Kidd…Huh??

]]> By: Marcy http://www.chewymom.com/antinomian/#comment-84246 Marcy Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:49:47 +0000 http://www.chewymom.com/?p=1118#comment-84246 You're right, I haven't met one of those people either. But at one church we attended a long time (would be still if it weren't for moving), there was such an emphasis on grace -- such a life-giving, freeing, amazing emphasis on grace -- that at times we wondered if it could possibly be that good, or if they were forgetting to tell us about what we still need to be doing. It is puzzling to try to figure out how exactly to live by grace without just sitting on our hands and doing nothing. Easy to avoid the extremes, hard, as you say, to find the balance. You’re right, I haven’t met one of those people either. But at one church we attended a long time (would be still if it weren’t for moving), there was such an emphasis on grace — such a life-giving, freeing, amazing emphasis on grace — that at times we wondered if it could possibly be that good, or if they were forgetting to tell us about what we still need to be doing. It is puzzling to try to figure out how exactly to live by grace without just sitting on our hands and doing nothing. Easy to avoid the extremes, hard, as you say, to find the balance.

]]> By: Banner Kidd http://www.chewymom.com/antinomian/#comment-84235 Banner Kidd Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:39:50 +0000 http://www.chewymom.com/?p=1118#comment-84235 The Greek word for grace is charis. It means, according to the Strong's Greek Dictionary, "the divine influence on the heart with the reflection in the life." Grace is the causative part of the New Covenant. The New Covenant, as defined by the Scripture in Jeremiah and Ezekiel, and Hebrews, and other places is when we come to HIM by faith (believing what HE said - Torah) HE works grace in us, changing our heart from a lawless, rebellious one with the consistency of stone to a heart of flesh, made ready to have HIS Torah written on our hearts and put in our minds - the continued work of grace in and through us by the Holy Spirit, who is equally God. The rules of men don't apply. The commandments of Yahweh do. What is written is what matters. Man's rules about going to KFC or whatever and even more important that man has decided to change the Sabbath of Yahweh to Sunday the venerable day of the sun god Mithra from HIS chosen day, the seventh day is a sure sign of a rebellious professing church. We are commanded to walk as HE walked, according to John in 1st John 2. You admit HE walked Torah perfectly. Well we know we can't. BUT because HE did, and HE lives in us, we are to try to, not decide since we can't we will live in rebellion to Torah and HIM. HE is the Living Torah. NO! We try, by faith, allowing HIM to work grace continuallly in us, and when we fail we fall on HIS mercy, HIS blood restores our repentant heart and we are back on the road with HIM. Such is the life of a true born again beliver who now delights in the spiritual, holy, and good Law of the LORD, just as Paul did. Romans 7 The Greek word for grace is charis. It means, according to the Strong’s Greek Dictionary, “the divine influence on the heart with the reflection in the life.” Grace is the causative part of the New Covenant. The New Covenant, as defined by the Scripture in Jeremiah and Ezekiel, and Hebrews, and other places is when we come to HIM by faith (believing what HE said - Torah) HE works grace in us, changing our heart from a lawless, rebellious one with the consistency of stone to a heart of flesh, made ready to have HIS Torah written on our hearts and put in our minds - the continued work of grace in and through us by the Holy Spirit, who is equally God.

The rules of men don’t apply. The commandments of Yahweh do. What is written is what matters. Man’s rules about going to KFC or whatever and even more important that man has decided to change the Sabbath of Yahweh to Sunday the venerable day of the sun god Mithra from HIS chosen day, the seventh day is a sure sign of a rebellious professing church.

We are commanded to walk as HE walked, according to John in 1st John 2. You admit HE walked Torah perfectly. Well we know we can’t. BUT because HE did, and HE lives in us, we are to try to, not decide since we can’t we will live in rebellion to Torah and HIM. HE is the Living Torah. NO! We try, by faith, allowing HIM to work grace continuallly in us, and when we fail we fall on HIS mercy, HIS blood restores our repentant heart and we are back on the road with HIM. Such is the life of a true born again beliver who now delights in the spiritual, holy, and good Law of the LORD, just as Paul did. Romans 7

]]> By: chewymom http://www.chewymom.com/antinomian/#comment-84070 chewymom Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:25:19 +0000 http://www.chewymom.com/?p=1118#comment-84070 Marcy, It's interesting-- I hear and read about those who take grace to the extreme of being a license to sin (which flies in the face of what Paul said in Romans 6:1-2), but I have never, ever met anyone who thinks that. I know what you mean--there's a balance in there somewhere, obviously. I don't know exactly where the balance lies, but I am certain that it does NOT lie in man-made rules and regulations that add to the law of God. Jesus was pretty clear about that one when he dealt with the Pharisees! Molly, Thank you! :-) Skerrib, We had college friends spend several days with us once, and after church on Sunday, we drove through KFC for chicken. I had two children under two, life was busy, and we were trying to show hospitality to our friends while keeping life not terribly insane for me. These friends told us later that their consciences were really troubled that they had eaten from KFC on a Sunday--they were opposed to making others work on the Sabbath. Nevermind the work I would have been doing to feed them....That doesn't count, I guess. We had quite the theological debate with them over that one. Marcy, It’s interesting– I hear and read about those who take grace to the extreme of being a license to sin (which flies in the face of what Paul said in Romans 6:1-2), but I have never, ever met anyone who thinks that. I know what you mean–there’s a balance in there somewhere, obviously. I don’t know exactly where the balance lies, but I am certain that it does NOT lie in man-made rules and regulations that add to the law of God. Jesus was pretty clear about that one when he dealt with the Pharisees!

Molly, Thank you! :-)

Skerrib, We had college friends spend several days with us once, and after church on Sunday, we drove through KFC for chicken. I had two children under two, life was busy, and we were trying to show hospitality to our friends while keeping life not terribly insane for me. These friends told us later that their consciences were really troubled that they had eaten from KFC on a Sunday–they were opposed to making others work on the Sabbath. Nevermind the work I would have been doing to feed them….That doesn’t count, I guess. We had quite the theological debate with them over that one.

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