Comments on: Babies and Bath Water

By: chewymom

chewymom — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:09:47 +0000

Hi Diane! Thanks for your comment. It is such a good reminder that no matter who is elected, God has not suddenly lost control!

Glenn, I’m off to read your links. So much for mopping the den…. Can I blame you for the mess?

By: Glenn

Glenn — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:34:49 +0000

I’ve been pondering whether or not to post a comment. The whole “single issue voter” and all… but… w/Obama, I’m afraid that though he represents a significant change from the otherwise run of the mill politicos that are running, there are two things (not just one) that make it nigh on to impossible for me to vote democrat this upcoming election.

1) Partial birth abortion” - Obama is clearly on the wrong side of this overly despicable infanticide (though I would say that the whole abortion industry is infanticide as well). Obama is clearly aligned with the most rabid of the abortio proponents and would not even entertain any discussion limiting its practice in our country.

2) Defense, statesmanship. Obama would pull our troops out of Afghanistan & Iraq and likely South Korea as soon as given a chance. He would leave the locals to their own defense and abandon real goals in those places, (I am not an ostrich who doesn’t think that Iraq & Afghanistan are both wars that any free country would have a hard time fighting or even “winning”, but… both have their legitimate reasons and both would be a worse travesty if we simply packed up and left. The statesmanship side of this is Obama’s leaning toward open dialog with ANY head of state. He’s said he would sit down with Chavez, Ahmadinejad, and others like them immediately. That would be almost as stupid as the entire “YouTube” debate circus that currently graces our screens.

So… who will I vote for? Too early to tell!

As a treat to your blog readers, look at both Al Mohler’s & Thabiti Anyabwile comments regarding the election:

http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=1076

http://purechurch.blogspot.com/2008/01/ramblings-after-too-much-tv.html

By: Diane

Diane — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:41:41 +0000

While I tend to vote for candidates who are pro-life (though it’s not the only issue I look at), I won’t condemn anyone else for their choices. It’s not the end of the world if someone with the “wrong” politics is elected - we tend to forget what Paul said:

“Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.” Romans 13:1

God is sovereign, and He even has His hand in politics!

You are absolutely right that we need to reach out one person at at time, to those within our sphere of influence.

By: chewymom

chewymom — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:39:24 +0000

Hi Dana, You know, my brother-in-law is strongly libertarian. I tend to disagree with him…or at least I think I do…but the more I really give it thought (and take those silly online tests) the more I think I might have libertarian tendencies myself….

By: Dana

Dana — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:39:38 +0000

Since Obama might be the second to last person I’m voting for, I might not be the best to fuel you with ammunition. But I absolutely adore this very insightful statement of yours:

In my opinion, the most likely way to change opinions on abortion is one person at a time.

I am very conservative, with certain libertarian leanings. But before that, I am Christian. I believe all the stuff that most of the mainline evangelical churches hold to in their doctrines. But I disagree with the way we go about it.

Many of these groups view government as means to control culture. But our founding fathers did not see governments thus. Just government defends life, liberty and property. If we want people to act more morally, we do that person to person, one heart at a time.

By: chewymom

chewymom — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:09:42 +0000

Hi Carla, It really does drive me crazy the way abortion has been the ONE issue–at least for Christians–that people vote on. Yeah, I’m really curious to see how things will play out over the next 11 months. And oooh–I’d be so aggrivated by the SAHM comment! I’ve been one for 17 years, thankyouverymuch.

Hi Katrina! Good to see you over HERE! I think you and I are right on the same page! Hug that Mr. Brant for us!

By: Katrina

Katrina — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:59:14 +0000

Well I’m in Canada so I don’t quite know the ins and outs of the US politics but from a personal standpoint I am much more interested in seeing a political candidate that provides appropriate services for persons with disabilities and is interested in improving our pathetic health care system. As far as abortions go, yes I am pro-life, but I am also realistic and I know that to make abortion illegal would be so extremely difficult (especially here in Canada) and would be met with so much opposition (and be overturned as soon as the next political leader came into power). I agree with you that the way to prevent abortion (especially from a eugenic standpoint) is to show people by way of our children that having a child with a disability can and is a blessing We will be much more effective in providing proper unbiased information to the genetic counsellors and doctors than forcing our views on those who oppose them.

Katrina (mom to Brant)

By: Carla

Carla — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:52:20 +0000

I understand what you are saying. I had a hard time several federal elections ago when one party suddenly started campaigning on abortion and on being “the party that was for the woman’s right to choose”. I could have ignored the elephant in the room but when it becomes a defining political issue then I have to pause.

It will be interesting to see how your elections shape up. Here in Canada I don’t see (though I could be wrong) abortion being a campaign issue next time because the environment is SUCH a biggie right now.

I wish I could get into the planning rooms of all of the candidates who may be trying to sway “crunchy Christians” and say that that is NOT the way to do it. Of course neither is calling being a stay-at-home mother “obsolete”. grrrrr

By: chewymom

chewymom — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:12:33 +0000

Hi Amy! Thanks for delurking! That is a really interesting statistic. If it is true, then it seems to me we are wasting a whole lot of time and energy trying to change the politics of abortion that might be better spent on changing hearts and minds (or helping the poor??).

Hi Kathy! Nice to meet another mom of a chromosomally enhanced child! Your take on abortion is interesting, and I’m glad you posted it. I’m not sure I’m quite where you are yet, but I really appreciate what you said. It definitely helps me think through where I REALLY stand on it, and hopefully to be consistent in my view.

By: Kathy

Kathy — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:29:15 +0000

I think I feel a tiny bit different than you do. I am personally opposed to abortion, I think it’s a sin and a rejection of a blessing from God. But I vote pro-choice as I believe that it’s not up to me to say that a woman has to carry a child. THis is not a decision that I think the government or anyone but the woman herself should make. I think abortion is akin to war in certain ways - I think both make Jesus cry and tear his hair out. I think they both are a result of our sin and failings but I do not think that either is always avoidable and they should not be illegal. By the way, I have an adorable 10 year old daughter with DS.
Kathy